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What makes a classic "guy movie"?


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What may be the ultimate guy movie, “300,” is opening at the Rex in downtown Chaska this weekend.

As far as I can tell from the previews, it involves a lot of swords and stylized scenery – sort of a “Gladiator” meets “Sin City.”

The critics have been at the opposite ends of the spectrum with this movie – no in-between. New York Times hates it, Star Tribune loves it. City Pages hates it, Chicago Sun-Times loves it.

Regardless of what anyone says. It looks like a great popcorn movie.

It also looks to be one of the early guy movies of the year – following the opening of “Ghost Rider,” with Nic Cage. (Cage has pretty much defined “guy movie” with his appearances in “The Rock” and “Con Air.”)

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By the way, the movie “Music and Lyrics” is also playing at the Rex. It could be one of the first “chick flicks” of the year. (A double feature with “300” would strike the perfect compromise.)

So what are the elements of a classic guy movie – such as “Cool Hand Luke” or “The Dirty Dozen”?

What are the elements of a classic chick flick – such as “Bridget Jones Diary” or “The Notebook”?




Blood, guts, guns and...

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Blood, guts, guns and cleavage seem to be standard in classic dude flicks. It's all about the action.

In chick flicks, relationships are cental. Not necessarily romantic relationships but any human relationships. See Pride and Prejudice (any version really) for great examples of that.

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on March 9, 2007 - 11:54am.

The "blood, guts, guns and...

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The "blood, guts, guns and cleavage” argument is simplistic. It's not all about the action.

Guy movies also require a fair amount of male bonding. (Probably why many guy movies take place in prison, such as "The Shawshank Redemption" or "Cool Hand Luke.")

Among the guys who develop camaraderie, there is often a death involved and a keen sense of loss -- most notably in the massacres at the end of "The Dirty Dozen,” "The Great Escape,” and “The Wild Bunch.”

There are also classic guy movie stars, who don't have Brad Pitt’s face, but are great actors -- think Charles Bronson, George Kennedy and Ernest Borgnine.

Are there other classic “guy movie” actors?


Submitted by Mark Olson on March 9, 2007 - 12:22pm.

Sorry, I forgot to add car...

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Sorry, I forgot to add car chases.

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on March 9, 2007 - 12:34pm.

The movie "300," by the way,...

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The movie "300," by the way, was a good guy movie.

I wouldn't go to it expecting brain science. The critics were a bit tough on the film. It seems they wanted more out of the movie. (Sort of like going to a horror movie and criticizing it for not being a comedy.)


Submitted by Mark Olson on March 12, 2007 - 9:30am.

The most compelling "guy...

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The most compelling "guy movie" to me has to be "Saving Private Ryan."

It has its share of blood and guts but rooted in history. It has a large amount of male bonding because, in war, its a necessity of staying alive.

Finally, in the end, it poses the question most men ask themselves "Was I a good man?"

It is a classic "guy movie" and one that strikes at the core of being a man.

On the lighter side, there's no way you can mention a "guy movie" without bringing up the "Rocky" series with my favorite being Rocky IV!


Submitted by Hepps on March 13, 2007 - 10:02am.

"The Holiday" is a nearly...

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"The Holiday" is a nearly perfect example of a great chick flick (and it just came out on DVD Tuesday). "Music & Lyrics" is not a good example. That's a dud.

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on March 14, 2007 - 4:33pm.

Rose McGowan with a machine...

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Rose McGowan with a machine gun leg.

That plot point, in the upcoming film "Grindhouse," ensures its status as one of the year's true "guy movie."

The movie opens this Friday, and is a double-feature homage to the type of low-budget movies that might have played in drive-ins during the 1970s.

One movie is directed by Robert Rodrigues - he of the "Desparado" movies and the other is directed by Quentin Tarantino - he of the "Kill Bill" movies.

The movies apparently involve a lot of car crashes, zombies, etc. -- and a starring role for Kurt Russell.

People either remember Russell in his earlier career as "The Computer wore Tennis shoes" or later, in movies like "Escape from New York."

Some might just remember him as that guy they see all the time with Goldie Hawn.

His portrayal of Snake Plissken in the two Escape movies assure his "guy movie" actor status.

He gets "Honorary Minnesotan" status for his role as Herb Brooks in "Miracle."

However, I'm partial to his movie "Tombstone" -- which also included some of Val Kilmer's best acting, as Doc Holliday.

Does anyone else have a favorite Kurt Russell movie?


Submitted by Mark Olson on April 5, 2007 - 12:27pm.

Loved him in those early...

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Loved him in those early Disney classics you mentioned - The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes. Nice lookin', clean cut kid! As a nice lookin', wearing his age pretty well kinda guy, I enjoyed him in Tombstone too.

My spouse, however, would say Backdraft and the always-seems-to-be-on-cable Overboard are Russell's best.

Good thing we have more than one TV.


Submitted by steinie on April 5, 2007 - 12:33pm.

"Roadhouse" comes to mind as...

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"Roadhouse" comes to mind as the ultimate bad guy movie -- even though it's difficult to turn off any time it's on television.

Any other guy movies that are among the worst? How about examples of terrible chick flicks.


Submitted by Mark Olson on April 6, 2007 - 4:06pm.

Steel Magnolias and Beaches...

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Steel Magnolias and Beaches are both way too sentimental for me. And I can honestly live without ever hearing "Wind Beneath My Wings" again.

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on April 6, 2007 - 4:20pm.

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Looking for a film that combines that quirky English village comedy and a “Guy Movie” with explosions on the scale of “Bad Boys II”?

Did you know such a movie exists?

Look no further than “Hot Fuzz.”

Some have called the movie a parody of action films, but it’s less a parody than throwing together two types of movie genres and seeing what happens.

Even the movie executives don’t seem to know what audiences will watch this movie. When I saw it at AMC Theatres in Eden Prairie, the types of movies previewed were all over the place – from an eccentric English comedy to Larry the Cable Guy’s upcoming “Delta Farce.”

“Hot Fuzz” is a funny movie, made by has the crew from “Shaun of the Dead.” And, like that movie, stars Simon Pegg and Nick Frost.


Submitted by Mark Olson on April 27, 2007 - 11:06am.

I recently went down to the...

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I recently went down to the Chaska Rex to watch one of the latest guy movies released – “Live Free or Die Hard.”

To be honest, the first “Die Hard” movie, released the year I graduated from high school, blew my mind. It pretty much reinvented the action movie. The “guy against world” theme had been on the silver screen for decades. However, this one had some unique twists – the most prominent being that it took place in one location, a skyscraper.

There were touches in the first movie that made it great – John McLane fighting the bad guys in bare feet and having to make the choice to hop on one foot on broken glass so he had at least one good foot.

The movie also showcased infrastructure as the modern-day battleground. After this movie, crawling through air ducts and a high-rise roof standoff was mandatory for every action movie that followed.

The recent “Die Hard” was good, but it wasn’t as heartfelt as the original.


Submitted by Mark Olson on July 6, 2007 - 2:57pm.

I also saw "Transformers."...

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I also saw "Transformers." It wasn't as good as critics led me to believe, but it was a good popcorn movie, and definitely falls into the "Guy Movie" category.


Submitted by Mark Olson on July 6, 2007 - 3:02pm.

Did James Bond make the guy...

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Did James Bond make the guy movie list? I love the old Bond films, and the new Bond wasn't half bad, either.


Submitted by Joanna Miller on July 9, 2007 - 12:50pm.

"I Am Legend" with Will...

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"I Am Legend" with Will Smith is one of the latest "Guy Movies" I've been too. Or at least, it fits the "Guy Movie" bill -- guy goes safari hunting in a post-apocalyptic New York. Guy goes golfing in post-apocalyptic New York. Guy drives muscle car down post-apocalyptic New York streets. Guy bonds with faithful dog in post-apocalyptic New York. Guy battles zombies in post-apocalyptic New York.

Did I mention post-apocalyptic New York? There's a good New York Times article about how movies are always seem to be imagining a New York that's been destroyed in some hideous fashion -- from "King Kong" to "Planet of the Apes" to "Escape from New York" (all classic Guy Movies).

On the flip side, or "chick flick" side, "Enchanted" is out right now, starring the Chanhassen Dinner Theatre's Amy Adams.

This movie lovingly depicts New York, with a 15-minute song and dance sequence in Central Park -- where Will Smith grows corn for survival in "I Am Legend."

The two movies would make a great compromise double bill for a gal and guy.


Submitted by Mark Olson on December 26, 2007 - 5:04pm.

"I Am Legend" is definitely...

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"I Am Legend" is definitely a guy movie. I didn't quite realize the magnitude of this until I sat down to watch it over the weekend.

While it had some thought-provoking ideas (which I thought the movie was supposed to be heavy on) it was more of a showcase for terrifying zombie attacks.

Powerful imagery (especially scenes of a vacant New York), but when it came to those zombies, I knew it wouldn't be the last time I would see them and sure enough - nightmare central later that night.

I can still see them bobbing their heads in that dark corner...

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on April 7, 2008 - 1:05pm.

"Omega Man," starring...

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"Omega Man," starring Charlton Heston -- one of Guy Movies founding fathers -- was also based on the novel "I Am Legend."

I mention this, because I saw the movie at camp during my formative years, and it probably prepared me for a life of Guy Movie fandom.

At the Chaska Rex, I saw a whole row of boys who must have been just old enough for the PG-13 "I Am Legend." I didn't know if I should sit behind them, or whether they'd be talking the whole time. But their eyes were glued to the screen and they were quiet as church mice through the entire movie.

I can imagine that they're also on the way to a lifetime of Guy Movie fandom.


Submitted by Mark Olson on December 26, 2007 - 5:13pm.

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I witnessed the movie “Hitman” on DVD the other day. Total guy movie.

That probably goes without saying, considering any movie based on a video game falls in the “Guy Movie” canon.

As such, this wasn’t a good or “classic” guy movie.

It starred Olga Kurylenko, who will be featured as the next Bond Girl in “Quantum of Solace.” (Is that really a good name for a Bond movie?) As such, she’ll probably make a solid career out of playing Russian femme fatales.

Meanwhile, Timothy Olyphant is making a career for himself in the Guy Movie genre, as the squinty growly guy.

Here he starred as the squinty, growly hitman. This is a change from “Live Free or Die Hard,” when he played a squinty, growly terrorist. Or “Deadwood,” where he played a squinty growly sheriff.

While his Clint Eastwood-shtick suited him well in the landmark HBO series, he may want to tone it down a notch.

“Hitman” went from one scene (or would that be level) to another without much thought or sense. It copped the urgently typed “Location” descriptor made popular by the Bourne Supremacy movies (solid guy movies) so you had some sort of idea where the hitman was (besides behind a gun).

I can’t remember too much else, except that it had a Russian guy who looked and acted like Sgt. Schulz from “Hogan’s Heroes.”


Submitted by Mark Olson on March 25, 2008 - 4:51pm.

I'll take some Jedi Knights...

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I'll take some Jedi Knights and the force versus The Empire.


Submitted by Tom Schardin on March 26, 2008 - 7:26am.

Is Star Wars a "Guy Movie"?...

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Is Star Wars a "Guy Movie"? I never thought it fit the genre.

Maybe if Han Solo and Chewbacca were the primary characters.


Submitted by Mark Olson on March 26, 2008 - 9:19am.

I think the "Star Wars"...

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I think the "Star Wars" series (at least Episodes 4-6) as well as the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy are too epic to be labeled as "guy movies." They have great characters, true conflicts and broad-ranging appeal (not to mention the host of hotties from LOTR).

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at [email protected].)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on April 7, 2008 - 1:09pm.

Whether "Death Race" is the...

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Whether "Death Race" is the guy movie of the summer remains to be seen, but it does does have many guy movie elements -- fast cars and explosions, all set in some sort of futuristic maximum security prison.

And it stars Jason Stathom and Ian McShane -- two guy movie stars if there ever were any. (With Joan Allen thrown in, apparently as the warden, to add credibility.)

The movie opens on Aug. 22. Check out more here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0452608/

Has anyone seen any good guy movies this summer?


Submitted by Mark Olson on July 11, 2008 - 1:12pm.

Well, the "Death Race"...

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Well, the "Death Race" review by Nathan Lee in the New York Times pretty much seals the deal on whether I'll watch the movie. Read the review here: http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/movies/22race.html?ref=movies

Among Lee's phrases that caught my eye: "a supercharged junkyard apocalypse powered by an unabashed relish for brutal comeuppance and a flair for delirious vehicular mayhem ... increasingly frantic, vividly murderous ... a tour de force of no-nonsense neo-grindhouse ... legitimately greasy, authentically nasty ... good old-fashioned sense of laying waste to everything in sight ... No fancy talk here, just solid, monosyllabic obscenities ... souped-up monster cars flipping end over end in a napalm blaze and crashing in a crunch of flaming metal ouch."

Yep. Sounds like a guy movie.

I also caught "Tropic Thunder" the other day at the Rex. It was a good farce.

I may have laughed the most at Tom Cruise rendition of "Les Grossman," the only fictional movie producer who could go head to head with Harvey Weingard, the similarly hot-headed movie producer in HBO's Entourage.

It's nice to see Cruise in a movie where he doesn't take himself too seriously.


Submitted by Mark Olson on August 22, 2008 - 9:12am.

This has been an absolutely...

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This has been an absolutely abysmal year for guy movies, which is why I'm putting my hopes and dreams in the new James Bond film opening this Friday: www.007.com.

Although, considering the enthusiasm of one of my female co-workers (you know who you are), over Daniel Craig as the new Bond, I might have to rethink whether 007 still falls in the strictly "Guy Movie" territory.


Submitted by Mark Olson on November 12, 2008 - 10:55am.

You can bet that the date...

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You can bet that the date Nov. 14 has been circled on my calendar for some time now. I believe I am correct in stating that Daniel Craig's James Bond is the only one anyone can ever take seriously anymore.

I've tried to watch the old Bond movies--Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan and their Hugh Hefner-ish Playboy man about town schtick is pretty silly, especially since Hef's brand of sexiness is kind of sweet and harmless now, old man humor, y'know. And, isn't he like in his 90s now? His bathrobe no longer makes him look like a cosmopolitan swinger but an old man who is too feeble to put on day clothes without assistance -- But hey, that's just me.

At least Sean Connery's Bond still exudes some sense of danger and virile masculinity. Moore and Brosnan always seemed a little too pretty, like they spent too much time blow drying their hair. And they were all about the gadgets cause they didn't want to muss their hair.

I'm telling you, Daniel Craig is the ultimate. He's not afraid of a brawl and using his fists. The new movie better be good or I will be very disappointed!


Submitted by unsiez on November 12, 2008 - 4:23pm.

Well put -- but where does...

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Well put -- but where does George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton fit into your Bond pantheon?

I'd place Lazenby with the Moore Mess, but I think Dalton (the "Brooding Bond") could fit into the Connery Cartel.


Submitted by Mark Olson on November 12, 2008 - 5:01pm.

Timothy Dalton is OK. Like...

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Timothy Dalton is OK. Like Craig, like Connery, he exudes that sense of menace. Lazenby? Puhleeze. Didn't he play Superman in the 50s? Oh, no wait, that was someone else. But they have the same look. Not sexy.

Gene Shalit reviewed the Quantum of Solace for the TODAY show today. He panned the movie--he misses the (lame) double entendres and cool gadgets--which means I will probably like it. I never agree with Gene Shalit.


Submitted by unsiez on November 13, 2008 - 1:30pm.

I like the new Bond movies...

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I like the new Bond movies (with Craig), but the latest movie lost the witty banter between Bond and his Bond girl du jour. The girls in the latest movie were lovely, but they didn't get enough character development.
I like the new edge for Bond, but I miss the smirks and twinkling eyes Sean Connery brought to the role. Connery is still my pick for best Bond actor, with Craig coming in second. I never liked Brosnan - he's too dapper.


Submitted by Joanna Miller on December 1, 2008 - 5:05pm.

I'd be remiss if I didn't...

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I'd be remiss if I didn't note the opening of "Transporter 3" this holiday weekend, starring Jason Stathom.

Stathom, as noted previously is a clear sign of a "Guy Movie" in much the same way as Vin Diesel and Arnold Schwarzenegger used to define a guy movie. (That would be pre-"The Pacifier" for Diesel and pre-"Twins"/"Kindergarten Cop" for Schwarzenegger.)


Submitted by Mark Olson on November 26, 2008 - 1:15pm.

After reviewing "Transporter...

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After reviewing "Transporter 3," I'd have to argue that it is the best movie featuring a car crashing onto a train since "Wanted," earlier this year.


Submitted by Mark Olson on December 1, 2008 - 12:32pm.

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