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New vision for Firemen's Park


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By: Mollee Francisco

A recently proposed three- or four-story building at the northwest corner of highways 41 and 212 has fallen out of favor.

Instead, the Chaska City Council is hoping to create a grander entrance to Firemen's Park. 

Of the 12 redevelopment concepts for the busy corner, the one that caught the council' s eye was a plan to enhance Fireman’s Park  and add a restaurant/office complex along Highway 212.

The council has struggled with what to do with the corner since acquiring control of the land where Ohnsorg Truck Body Manufacturing, Chaska Farm and Garden and Randy’s Auto Repair now sit. The city spent more than $2 million to buy the two parcels of land and is looking at nearly $1 million in environmental cleanup costs.

The dollars involved have made redevelopment a challenge, as councilors would like to see the high-profile corner become a showpiece of downtown while minimizing the use of more city money.

At a work session Monday night, councilors directed city staff to look into a plan that would place a 7,500 square foot restaurant behind the existing Ernst & Associates Landscaping Architects building and a block of up to three office buildings to the west, over the existing parking lot.

“These would be Rick Ford-type buildings,” said Chaska City Administrator David Pokorney, referring to the two-and-a-half story brick office building across from City Square Park. Ideally, the new office buildings would complement the adjacent Chaska brick buildings. The buildings could provide up to 20,000 square feet of office space.

That would free up the 212/41 corner to expand Firemen’s Park into a larger green space. City staff discussed working with landscape architect Gene Ernst, who owns the Ernst building, to come up with some proposals for the park space once the existing buildings are demolished.

Moving beach

Because the office buildings and adjacent parking would intrude on the existing beach at Fireman’s Lake, the council was in favor of relocating the beach across the way to Schimelpfening Park. The current park has volleyball and basketball courts as well as horseshoe pits and archery targets but is not heavily used. As part of the plan, the city could create a trail that would connect both parks and encircle the lake.  Under the proposed redevelopment option, Ohnsorg, Randy's Auto Repair and Chaska Farm & Garden would be razed to expand Firemen's Park. A restaurant would be built behind the Ernst building and three office buildings would be added along Highway 212.

“I like that plan because it enhances Firemen’s Park, it enhances Schimelpfenig Park and it makes the corner a showpiece,” said Rohe. “The restaurant gives it more of a destination place.”

The question on the park plan is whether or not a restaurant would be attracted to the area.

“I could be persuaded with an Axel’s or a Redstone,” said Councilor Bob Lindall. “But I’m afraid we wouldn’t even get an Applebee’s.”

Other plans the council looked at suggested using Schimelpfening Park as a source of revenue by building apartments, townhouses or single family homes on the site but councilors could not justify getting rid of the park.

“Touching the park across the lake is a no,” said Councilor Jay Rohe.

The other viable option that would minimize city dollars was the multi-story corner development. The development could either be three stories with street-level retail and two stories of apartment units above or two stories with street-level retail and upper level office space.

“I prefer two stories over three stories in general,” said Councilor Christopher Schulz. “It’s less overwhelming but it sure wouldn’t be my first choice. I’d really like to see that other set-up work.”

The council directed city staff to focus on the parks/restaurant/office plan. Staff will shop the plan around to developers to gauge interest and report back to the council. If the initial plan has no bites on the restaurant portion, the council agreed they would consider swapping the restaurant space for another office building. The third option they could pursue would be the multi-story corner development.

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For now, the council and staff are hopeful that their preferred plan will attract interested participants.

“It’s a pretty good plan,” said Pokorney. “But we need to make it great.”

Corner redevelopment proposals

A) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant and a 5,000 sq. ft. commercial/retail building. City subsidy: $840,000

B) All open park space. No new buildings. City subsidy: $2.23 million

C) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant with remaining space dedicated to park expansion. City subsidy: $1.15 million

D) Three-story complex on corner with 20,000 sq. ft. of street-level retail and 54 apartment units above. City subsidy: $0

E) Two-story building with 20,000 sq. ft. street-level retail and 20,000 sq. ft. office space above. City subsidy: $0

F) CVS drug store and restaurant on corner. City subsidy: $0.

G) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant, expansion of Firemen's Park and 84-unit apartment complex at Schimelpfenig Park. City subsidy: $125,000

H) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant, expansion of Firemen's Park and 18 town houses at Schimelpfenig Park. City subsidy: $0

I) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant, expansion of Firemen's Park and four single-family homes at Schimelpfenig Park. City subsidy: $271,000

J) 7,500 sq. ft. restaurant, expansion of Firemen's Park, 20,000 sq. ft. office space in three buildings along Highway 212 and beach moved across lake to Schimelpfenig Park. City subsidy: $79,300

K) Expansion of Firemen's Park, 20,000 sq. ft. office space in three buildings along Highway 212 and four single-family homes on Schimelpfenig Park. City subsidy: $22,000

L) Four single-family homes on Schimelpfenig Park, expansion of Firemen's Park to encompass entire corner. City subsidy: $1.2 million.

SOUND OFF: The city essentially chose to pursue Option J. Did they make the right choice? Which option would you have picked if you were on the council?



Lets not dump more money...

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Lets not dump more money into the Clayhole. The City fathers should take a serious look at spending their money on the Lake Grace Beach and Pavilion. Lake Grace is centrally located and the City should be providing some swimming and park amenities where most of the residents live.

It is time for parks to be placed where the people live.


Submitted by Henry on March 30, 2007 - 12:54pm.

Lake Grace is not owned by...

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Lake Grace is not owned by the City of Chaska.

It is owned, in common, by the members of the Jonathan Association. Unfortunately, over the past several years, it has fallen into disuse as various Boards of Directors have spent Jonathan homeowner money on frivolous legal opinions in an attempt to "dissolve" the Association, rather than on the upkeep and improvement of our common areas.

For full disclosure purposes, I should let you know that I have applied to fill the Board of Directors seat vacated by Walt Ripplinger. If appointed, I have the goal of ensuring the responsible and pragmatic management of Association common properties, including the beautiful Lake Grace area.

I would love to see the Jonathan Association restore the Lake Grace area to its former glory, with canoes and paddleboats, and community-wide picnics. Lake Grace is a jewel, and it's being ignored by the people who are supposed to represent its owners.

If you really want to see Lake Grace improved, I suggest you send an email to Tom Davis (his email address can be found on the Jonathan website at http://www.jonathaninchaska.com/BSLF.htm. Let him know that you support my application to the Board of Directors, and that you support the improvement of the Lake Grace area.

Thanks!
-Katie Tierney


Submitted by txaggie94 on March 30, 2007 - 6:26pm.

Wrong, the majority of the...

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Wrong, the majority of the Lake Grace area is owned by the City, the trail is owned by the City and most of the land area around the lake is owned by the City or private interests. Jonathan owns very little.

What is more amazing is the logic. If the park or Beach is owned by the City, all residents pay for it. If the park or Beach is labeled Jonathan, Jonathan residents pay for it. The result is that Jonathan residents get to pay twice. It is time for the City to treat all areas of the City equally.

If you want civic celebrations, join the Chamber or the River City Days committee or the Lions or Jaycees or Scout groups or Church Groups or have a neighborhood potluck or form a new organization to celebrate whatever.

Jonathan is a maintenance organization responsible for maintaining trails and tot lots and mail stations and collecting dues from the unfortunates who were illegally adopted because Jonathan boards frivolously ignored the Bylaws.


Submitted by Henry on March 31, 2007 - 11:47am.

According to the 2004 map of...

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According to the 2004 map of Jonathan, available on the Association's website (http://www.jonathaninchaska.com/images/2004JAMap.jpg), the majority of the land at the South end of Lake Grace, to which you were referring when you said this:

The City fathers should take a serious look at spending their money on the Lake Grace Beach and Pavilion

is, in fact, considered Jonathan property. This property includes the pavilion, the green space, and the beach. Therefore, the people who "own" that property are the property owners in Jonathan.

If you really believe that the City is willing to take over Jonathan Association common property and maintain it in the way the Jonathan Association USED to do, you should probably talk to the City Administrator. I don't see that as a viable option, and given what has been said by the Chaska City Council over the past several months, I think I'm on target.

And, FYI, we do have lots of gatherings in our neighborhood, and we're very active in our Church and other civic organizations. My family CELEBRATES living in Chaska, and CELEBRATES living in Jonathan. We're lucky to be part of a community that is so diverse and welcoming.

I am happy to pay my $200 per year to maintain access to this type of amenity for my family and all our Jonathan neighbors. And I know that we are not the only ones who believe in Jonathan. 715 property owners showed that the supported Jonathan when they voted for Maria Awes in the Jonathan election. Fewer than 300 voiced their support for the Anti-Jonathan candidates. That's a pretty good spread, if you ask me.

-Katie


Submitted by txaggie94 on March 31, 2007 - 2:18pm.

If the city is looking for a...

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If the city is looking for a way to attract people downtown, they should look at trying to keep Chaska Farm and Garden in the area.
All through the summer the place is filled with people, more so on weekends.
Re-development is good, but lets not forget a business thats been around for more then 15 years, attracting people both from Chaska and the surrounding areas.


Submitted by Shadow on March 30, 2007 - 2:54pm.

A reader recently sent in...

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A reader recently sent in her own ideas about Firemen's Park:

I just wanted to comment on the Firemen's park proposal for a restaurant. I think it is a great idea. Especially if the plan includes a trail around the lake.

I can see taking advantage of the trails with our children, swim at the beach and then walk to the restaurant for icecream and a soda. I would be disappointed if a bunch of offices and apartments would be placed in this area.

It would be nice to have another area to hang out and get to know each other. The restaurant options are O.K. However, a cheaper establishement may work better. I happen to love Applebee's!


Submitted by Mark Olson on April 2, 2007 - 8:12am.

I think a restaurant is a...

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I think a restaurant is a great idea for that area. I used to live in Pierre, SD and the Legion was located right along the river with a large deck to take advantage of the view. I would like to see something like that in the Fireman's Park area. It would be a nice place to eat after a day at the beach or a great happy hour hang out after work. It should definetly have a back patio facing the park with outdoor dining in the summer. Whatever goes in that area should have a connection to the park and lake behind it. I think office buildings or apartments would be a waste of a great opportunity for our community. If your going to do that you might as well leave it as it is now and not uproot the businesses that are already there.


Submitted by jennyjean4 on April 2, 2007 - 8:50am.

So they already chose option...

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So they already chose option K. That's unbelieveable. What a waste of beautiful space. Office buildings? Really? I think option C would have offered more to the residents of Chaska and made the area a destination for more people. I thought this was all about getting people to come to the downtown area. I just don't see how option K helps in that.


Submitted by jennyjean4 on April 2, 2007 - 8:48am.

The office buildings will...

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The office buildings will actually be placed over the existing parking lot and the corner of highways 41 and 212 would be for park expansion. I've added a map detailing the proposal the council is most interested in pursuing. See above. (Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at mfrancisco@swpub.com.)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on April 2, 2007 - 9:42am.

The map looks way better...

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The map looks way better than what "option K" described. Thanks. I like that there's still a restaurant and open space in the plan.


Submitted by jennyjean4 on April 2, 2007 - 9:57am.

I should have said the...

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I should have said the council essentially chose Option J, not Option K. I knew there was still a restaurant involved. Sorry for the confusion.

(Mollee Francisco is a staff writer for the Chaska Herald. She can be reached at mfrancisco@swpub.com.)


Submitted by Mollee Francisco on April 2, 2007 - 10:06am.

It's just a dream, but... A...

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It's just a dream, but...
A trail around the lake sounds wonderful! It would be nice to see the garden center stay in it's place. A small organic store or co-op would be an updated addition to our community.A restaurant overlooking the lake would add a view that not many of us Chaskans have from our homes. It's disappointing to think, however, that it has to be an upscale establishment. Much of our new housing developments are moderate income, and I'm sure that we could blend the best of what Chaska really is by creating a warm, friendly atmosphere with understated elegance without the exclusivity. I appreciate the fact that the council is carefully examining the options.


Submitted by queen ellery on April 2, 2007 - 9:26pm.

Should not be a...

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Should not be a Dream.....
You are part of the City, the elected at city hall do
not own the City of Chaska. Let you thoughts be known..
I do however hope the Restaurant is upscale. I think the garden
center should stay.... Chaska wants to keep it history , but little by little they are destroying it.


Submitted by cjrief on April 3, 2007 - 8:16am.

I think a restaurant would...

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I think a restaurant would be nice.


Submitted by Grace on April 4, 2007 - 4:48pm.

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